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Dear Adrian,
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Can you comment on the merits of harvesting energy with soft materials in general?
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 <pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:27:27 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Cai Shengqiang</dc:creator>
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 <title>Compliant Electrodes</title>
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Hi Lihua,
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There are no commercialized electrodes for DE transducers per se, but there are commercialized DE actuators.&amp;nbsp; These actuators generally makes use of carbon grease as&amp;nbsp; compliant electrodes.&amp;nbsp; There are other candidates like metallic powder, and carbon nanotubes.
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We really welcome newcomers to this field, and any interesting ideas should be actively shared between researchers.&amp;nbsp; Do feel free to share your thoughts on this topic, if you have any.
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Best,
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Adrian
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 <pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:30:30 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Adrian S. J. Koh</dc:creator>
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 <title>RE:Energy Harvesting Using Soft Materials</title>
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Hi, Adrian
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interesting topic. I currently works on harvesting vibration energy via piezoelectric transduction. I first saw your idea in this year&amp;#39;s SPIE NDE conference at San Deigo. seems the mechanism is similar to electrostatic generator.
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Is there any commercialized elastomer transducer with flexible and durable electrodes avaliable in the market. or you just made the electrodes yourself in the labratory. I have interest to try this new material for energy harvesting purpose.
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Thanks
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 <pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:38:58 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Tang Lihua</dc:creator>
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Yes Keith, I do agree with your observations.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;Dissipation mechanisms are very complex topics, especially for deformable&lt;br /&gt;
polymers. &amp;nbsp;Added to the complexity is the mechanisms are vastly varied&lt;br /&gt;
between polymers of different molecular structures, and also dependent on&lt;br /&gt;
various ambient factors like temperature, humidity and chemical composition.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;Its non-determinstic behavior is compounded by the fact that input&lt;br /&gt;
variables like mechanical stress, electric field, excitation frequency and&lt;br /&gt;
material properties may further modify their dissipation characteristics.
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&lt;span&gt;Having said that, we really seek like-minded researchers who&lt;br /&gt;
are interested in electromechanical dissipation. &amp;nbsp;Only through better&lt;br /&gt;
understanding of these effects, that we may design materials that minimize&lt;br /&gt;
them, thereby improving the conversion efficiency by a quantum leap.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span&gt;Adrian&lt;/span&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 03:33:00 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Adrian S. J. Koh</dc:creator>
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Thanks</title>
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Hi Adrian,
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Thanks
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 <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:44:54 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Liu ZhuangJian</dc:creator>
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 <title>Yes, the performance should certainly be rate-dependent</title>
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Dear Zhuangjian,
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&lt;span&gt;Let us begin by discussing the dissipative mechanisms in dielectric elastomers.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span&gt;Dielectric elastomers are&lt;br /&gt;
electromechanically-coupled systems that dissipates energy in two major ways -&lt;br /&gt;
mechanically and electrically. &amp;nbsp;Subject to a mechanical force, the&lt;br /&gt;
deformation relaxes to a equilibrium state after some time tau_v. &amp;nbsp;This&lt;br /&gt;
process is known as viscoelastic relxation, and tau_v is the viscoelastic&lt;br /&gt;
relaxation time. &amp;nbsp;Subject to an electric field, the dipoles relaxes and&lt;br /&gt;
orientates towards the direction of the field after some time tau_e. &amp;nbsp;This&lt;br /&gt;
process is known as dielectric relaxation, and tau_e is the dielectric&lt;br /&gt;
relaxation time. &amp;nbsp;Furthermore, if the electric field is sustained long&lt;br /&gt;
enough or if the electric field is sufficiently high, charges may begin to leak&lt;br /&gt;
through the dielectric. &amp;nbsp;This process is known as current leakage, and the&lt;br /&gt;
product of the resistivity and capacitance of the DE gives some kind of&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;RC&amp;quot; time constant, or the characteristic time where current leakage&lt;br /&gt;
builds up to a stable magnitude.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span&gt;Some experiments on typical DE materials like VHB&lt;br /&gt;
acrylic elastomer and silicone elastomers have shown that tau_v is in the order&lt;br /&gt;
of 10^2 seconds, tau_e is in the 10^-6 seconds, and RC time is about 10^3&lt;br /&gt;
seconds. &amp;nbsp;This will determine the rate of operation whereby loss will be&lt;br /&gt;
significant or may be avoided.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span&gt;Experiments specifically performed to determine&lt;br /&gt;
dissipative processes in DE are limited, yet essential to provide guidance for&lt;br /&gt;
optimal operation of DE actuators and generators. &amp;nbsp;I certainly hope more&lt;br /&gt;
work can be done in this aspect.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span&gt;Adrian&lt;/span&gt;
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References
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R. Palakodeti &amp;amp; M. R. Kessler,&amp;nbsp; Mater. Lett. &lt;strong&gt;60&lt;/strong&gt;, 3437-3440, 2006.&amp;nbsp; (On DEA viscoelasticity, efficiency with dependence on prestrain &amp;amp; frequency)
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J. S. Plante &amp;amp; S. Dubowsky, Sens. Actuators A &lt;strong&gt;137&lt;/strong&gt;, 96-109, 2007.&amp;nbsp; (On major dissipative mechanisms - viscoelasticity &amp;amp; current leakage, experiments &amp;amp; modelling)
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T. A. Gisby, S. Q. Xie, E. P. Calius &amp;amp; I. A. Anderson, EAPAD Proc. SPIE &lt;strong&gt;7642&lt;/strong&gt;, 764213, 2010.&amp;nbsp; (An experiment to measure leakage current with applied field)
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X. Zhao, S. J. A. Koh &amp;amp; Z. Suo, Int. J. Appl. Mech. &lt;strong&gt;3&lt;/strong&gt;, 203-217, 2011.&amp;nbsp; (A theory of viscoelastic dissipation in DEs)
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 <pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:20:00 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Adrian S. J. Koh</dc:creator>
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Hi Adrain, &lt;/font&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;Thank you for posting this interesting thread. &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The dielectric elastomer is great promise as actuator materials in converting mechanical to electrical energy.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
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&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;One quick question, is there any research work about the energy of conversion is strain rate or loading rate dependence in using DEG? As you said, Motion-based energy harvesting is the process of converting dissipated mechanical energy into electrical energy.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sources of mechanical energy include the ocean waves, wind, human motion, vehicular traffic, and vibrations in buildings and bridges.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This source of energy is dynamic loading, the materials properties could be changed when the strain is higher.&lt;/font&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:15:56 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Liu ZhuangJian</dc:creator>
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&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Interesting topic here, Adrian.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As you pointed out, most experimental studies have focused on VHB and silicone, and neither material is designed specifically for DEGs. Dissipative processes such as viscoelasticity and current leakage have been shown to affect the performance of these DEs and thus limit their application. Viscous losses reduce the useful mechanical input work while current leakage may result in a lower voltage boost across the generator. In particular, current leakage in dielectrics is a complex phenomenon; for example, the nature of the conduction mechanisms appears to be elusive in many cases.&lt;/font&gt;
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&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt; Understanding the impact of these dissipative mechanisms on the performance of a DEG is a challenging issue. &lt;br /&gt;
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 <pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:04:02 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Keith Foo</dc:creator>
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Hi Xiaodong,
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Soft materials are capable of converting mechanical to electrical energy in several ways, I shall just touch on the conversion process of a deformable capacitor (also known as a dielectric elastomer).&amp;nbsp; A dielectric elastomer (DE) consists of a thin membrane of polymer (for instance, rubber), sandwiched between compliant electrodes (for instance carbon grease).&amp;nbsp; The DE is first pre-stretched and pre-charged with a small electric field.&amp;nbsp; After which, the DE is mechanically relaxed.&amp;nbsp; When it is relaxed in the open-circuit condition, the electrodes are separated, separating the unlike charges, and squeezing the like charges closer together.&amp;nbsp; This action increases the potential difference between the electrodes, thereby boosting the voltage.&amp;nbsp; When it is relaxed in the closed-circuit condition, the charges are pumped to an external circuit, creating a current that powers a electrical load.
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The generated electrical energy may be used to directly power a load, or be stored in a battery or capacitor.
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The paper by Pelrine et. al. addresses the basic mechanisms of energy conversion (first attached paper in original post), my papers illustrate that the energy density of conversion for soft materials may be orders of magnitude higher than existing technologies like piezoelectrics and EM generators (next two papers).&amp;nbsp; The final two papers by a New Zealand Group (headed by Prof. Iain Anderson) introduces a creative circuit design that allows a DE generator to boost voltage from Volts to kilo-Volts.
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 <pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 22:33:21 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Adrian S. J. Koh</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Adrian, this is a very interesting topic. I would like to know how biological soft materials do energy harvesting and how to store it? Do you know any papers? Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 19:34:14 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Xiaodong Li</dc:creator>
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 <title>Thanks for reading my post</title>
 <link>http://www.imechanica.org/node/790#comment-1029</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;Zhigang, Ji Wang, and all who read my post;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you all.  I will try to do what Zhigang suggested.  In next few months, I will try to put my thoughts in an organized way hoping be efficient for all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Thanks, Zhigang, for your great effort on iMechanica. &lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:25:56 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Ming Li</dc:creator>
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 <title>It is important to have an industry willing to work with us</title>
 <link>http://www.imechanica.org/node/790#comment-1002</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;There are certain industries benefit and demand more from Mechanicians such as steel, auto, construction, space, and so on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, it is important for Mechanicians to keep a good attitude as Zhigang to explore the opportunities for Mechanicians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are different ways to explore industrial applications, and the outcomes are not always positive or money.  However, it is always important to find places and ways we can survive as people live on other people&amp;#39;s money:-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Personally, I have been approachingindustries in different ways including organizing group meetings with management.  We can also do it as a fact-finding mission.  In anyway, we need to find out the technical problems we can solve and promise solutions we can deliver.  Of course, we need to make sure the industry willalso benefit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:40:41 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Ji Wang</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Ming:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In reading your entry, I learned the economic scale of the hot-rolling problem, and several research directions, which are clearly compatible to long term goals of many academic mechanicians. To make this dialogue even more useful, you might consider writing a series of entries on the topic. Specific ideas for entries may include&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further discussions of the problem and research directions that you raised in this blog entry. Do you have any references that discuss current status of the problem? If an academic mechanician would like to work with you or your colleagues, where should they start? Over the years you have had experience collaborating with academic mechanicians. Some guidance from you will be helpful to many of us. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The life cycle of aluminum, from ores to Coca-Cola cans or whatever. When we met last time at Legal Seafood in Cambridge, you gave a fascinating account of how Alcoa met the challenge of energy crisis and globalization. A blog entry along this line would have wide appeal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The engineering practice at Alcoa. Many of academic mechanicians would love to learn how industrial mechanicians solve engineering problems. What tools do you use? What process do you go through? What skills do you value? You must have many examples of problem solving.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 11:36:04 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Zhigang Suo</dc:creator>
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