iMechanica - The twin of imechanica in biology and bio-engineering is from MIT !! - Comments

That I could do even before, so please see the change first !

Mike Ciavarella — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:31:13 -0400

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You can start a wiki-review on contact mechanics.

Roozbeh Sanaei — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:50:23 -0400

You can start a Wiki-review on contact mechanics, I am going to
do similar in "protein engineering", Fortunately OpenWetWare is exactly related
to my subject!

Some news from WIKIMANIA / change in the system!

Mike Ciavarella — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:15:13 -0400

Wikimania 2008: Flagged Revisions with Philipp Birken

From “Flagged Revisions,” a presentation at Wikimania 2008 by Philip
Birken. In my opinion, flagged revisions realize the concept of stable
versions without making the article actually stable. We can get rid of
protecting articles that are experiencing heavy vandalism if we do
this, because an edit only updates to the public when it is flagged as
not-vandalism by a trusted user. However, vandals immediately see the
results of their edit for an hour, which is just ingenious.

Everyone meant something different by stable versions, so we called it
flagged revisions. This gives reader feedback on the quality of the
articles. Currently, you can make users by default see the most recent
flagged revision of an article. It enforces the four-eye principle.

Development of Stable Versions: It is the idea that the article is
finished. The concept is in printed encyclopedias and Nupedia. Ideas
early in Meta. Discussed since the beginning. Magnus Manski wrote a
tool to rate articles - FA, Good, A, B, Start, Stub. We now have
patrolled edits, active on Wikipedia.

In June 2006, we started. We asked Jimbo: “What’s up with stable
versions?” Jimbo said: “You’re right, let’s just do it.” We agreed on
basic parameters: No voting and 2. Keep it simple. He asked the board
if they would object. They said they wouldn’t. We hired a contractor to
implement stable versions. Erik Moeller had become a board member and
quality was one of his topics. We found Jorg Baach, he did the coding.
It was put on the SVN under flagged revisions, which stuck. Wikimedia
France gave 1,000 euro – the first international wiki. People started
working on it – mailing list wikiquality. Open beta in Feb 2008. Found
bugs. Now it is stable and on the German Wikipedia.

People flag and edit or they don’t. You don’t vote on it, you just
make sure the people who flag are trustworthy. One flag is enough to
get it approved.

Ongoing problems:
• Too few developers
• No process for giving useful input
• Developers not present in content creation
• Not enough competence in design/usability
• Not enough leadership structure in local projects

Flagged Revisions
Two flags: sighed and quality. Editors can flag something as sighed,
reviewers can flag as quality. If desired, IPs see by default the last
sighted version instead of the current version. Can do it per wiki or
per page. Templates and Images are in this. If you flag an article, the
stable revision incorporates the template and images as they were then.
If an IP changes a template, that change will not be visible until
someone flags the template. How to incorporate comments in this system?
We were told not to think about it.

Sighed Versions: These are versions that are checked by an editor
for vandalism. Basic trust – automatic procedure for granting rights,
and any admin can give it. Misconception is that they are only about
vandalism. They are about forcing the four-eye principle. An edit has
to be checked. You guarantee a basic quality for readers: someone
trustable looked at it. Any edit that is done is logged in the system.
If an IP corrects a spelling a mistake, hordes of vandal fighters will
look at it now, but all that needs to look at it is one trusted vandal
fighter. Now, people concentrate on IPs, but what if you just created
an account? They won’t have the sighted privilege.

You can use a box to check the article. Can search for pages without
any sighted version, or pages where newer unsighted revisions are
waiting. You see the results of your change, but if you come back an
hour later, you will see the sighted version. Other people will see the
sighted version. The vandal sees the results of his vandalism, but no
one else will. Other people will see that there are new unsighted
versions and can see them, but will not see it on the main article.
With Magnus’s tool, you can get intersections with categories. These
are all the unsighted edits waiting in mathematics. It would take me
half an hour to look through all the math unsighted revisions.

Thanks mike but my problem is different

RoozbehSanaei — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:12:47 -0400

there are many forums in biochemistry (and in any other
topic)

http://www.scienceforums.net/

http://biowww.net/

http://www.molecularstation.com

... and many others that i dont know!!! i have to send my question to all of them.

QUAD-FORUM may be a good solution.

The problem is GOOGLE! (not intentionally)

RoozbehSanaei — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:10:58 -0400

It may be funny if I say MOST OF OUR PROBLEM IS FROM OUR SEARCH MOTORS and Indexing System. but it is!.

putting material in wikisource.

RoozbehSanaei — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:10:28 -0400

Putting shareworks in wiki-source is beneficial for those who dont know imechanica.

our problem is integration!!

RoozbehSanaei — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:04:55 -0400

Having a general index system for web 2.0 is very beneficial.

Science 1.0 vs. Science 2.0

RoozbehSanaei — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:02:59 -0400

In fact Science 1.0 and Science 2.0 can live toghether, both of them have advantages and disadvantages.

link between imechanica and wikipedia may be a better solution.

RoozbehSanaei — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:56:29 -0400

Advantages and diadvantages.

RoozbehSanaei — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:54:09 -0400

Athough i had not a positve attitute about it at first, i found it very useful and interesting in many aspects, but forum of imechanica is much nicer.

Wikimania: Maybe we should all go to this conference in Egypt!

Mike Ciavarella — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:13:28 -0400

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Roozbeh, I am glad you appreciate I found that, and I can tell..

Mike Ciavarella — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:03:29 -0400

.. you my system to find out things is certainly NOT google search.

I use google search very seldom these days.

I read widely in the good literature, nature, newspaper, general topics in economics not only in my specialized field. I have "google reader" and "google alert" to many topics of interest. These are much more powerful than simple Google

For example, this OpenWetWare I found in a reference to a Scientific American article, which I also posted, Science2.0.

So I suggest you do the same, keep reading broadly.

More info on the story of the MIT site... from Science2.0

Mike Ciavarella — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:18:10 -0400

Rousing Success
In principle, says PLoS ONE's
Surridge, scientists should find the transition to Web 2.0 perfectly
natural. After all, since the time of Galileo and Newton, scientists
have built up their knowledge about the world by "crowd-sourcing" the
contributions of many researchers and then refining that knowledge
through open debate. "Web 2.0 fits so perfectly with the way science
works, it's not whether the transition will happen but how fast," he
says.

The OpenWetWare project at MIT is an early success.
Launched in the spring of 2005 by graduate students working for MIT
biological engineers Drew Endy and Thomas Knight, who collaborate on
synthetic biology, the project was originally seen as just a better way
to keep the two labs' Web sites up to date. OpenWetWare is a wiki--a
collaborative Web site that can be edited by anyone who has access to
it; it even uses the same software that underlies the online
encyclopedia Wikipedia. Students happily started posting pages
introducing themselves and their research, without having to wait for a
Webmaster to do it for them.

But then, users discovered that
the wiki was also a convenient place to post what they were learning
about lab techniques: manipulating and analyzing DNA, getting cell
cultures to grow. “A lot of the 'how-to' gets passed around as lore in
biology labs, and never makes it into the protocol manuals," says Jason
Kelly, a graduate student of Endy's who now sits on the OpenWetWare
steering committee. "But we didn't have that." Most of the students
came from a background in engineering; theirs was a young lab with
almost no mentors. So whenever a student or postdoc managed to stumble
through a new protocol, he or she would write it all down on a wiki
page before the lessons were forgotten. Others would then add whatever
new tricks they had learned. This was not altruism, notes
steering-committee member Reshma Shetty. "The information was actually
useful to me." But by helping herself, she adds, "that information also
became available around the world."

Indeed, Kelly points out,
"Most of our new users came to us because they'd been searching Google
for information on a protocol, found it posted on our site, and said
'Hey!' As more and more labs got on, it became pretty apparent that
there were lots of other interesting things they could do."

Classes,
for example. Instead of making do with a static Web page posted by a
professor, users began to create dynamically evolving class sites where
they could post lab results, ask questions, discuss the answers and
even write collaborative essays. "And all stayed on the site, where it
made the class better for next year," says Shetty, who has created an
OpenWetWare template for creating such class sites.

Zhigang, I made my choices, your turn to make yours!

Mike Ciavarella — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:35:49 -0400

Zhigang

I suspect the problem with imechanica is that it is too polite!

When I posted my agressive posts, they were n.1 for many weeks (and ultimately I had to remove them).

So the problem is that imechanica is too polite.

I guess you need to make a choice, between the NSF people who are ultraconservative and killed your proposal saying it was over-ambitious and "could not work", see also A "Supreme Court" for peer review of papers and proposals

and a more radical approach.

Most blogs become popular when there is really radical choice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership

Maybe we have to wait some more. But you are both in the board of IJSS and in Imechanica. These two are a little extremes. I made my choice. Now your turn!

It is mainly your energy that needs to go more seriously into this to

convince some sufficient number of core people to start this (not even wikipedia started from scratch, there was a previous project)
convince senior people to do at least one abstract to start each theme (like guest editors)
find out systems to make sure the result goes into papers - since you are in IJSS (while I am no longer), maybe you can talk to IJSS editors to have 1 paper from Imechanica each issue

Again, first let's find out what are others doing, like MIT

Mike Ciavarella — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:07:45 -0400

There is a wiki section of Open New Ware

http://openwetware.org/wiki/Materials

Is it going far? Maybe they are just starting. There is around any other project using WIKI except wikipedia itself?

And what about my other ideas to use imechanica as a place to start wiki entries later to be posted, or perhaps to be sent as paper to normal journals of the Harvard collection? Maybe I should write 1 idea per post, or people don't respond to 10!

The twin of imechanica in biology and bio-engineering is from MIT !!

Mike Ciavarella — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:27:22 -0400

OpenWetWare is an
effort to promote the sharing of information, know-how, and wisdom
among researchers and groups who are working in biology &
biological engineering. Learn more about us.
If you would like edit access, would be interested in helping out, or want your lab website hosted on OpenWetWare, please join us.

http://openwetware.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

Maybe some expert here wants to discuss the technology? Is it Drupal?

It is certainly more advanced than Imechanica. So we can learn and copy for our next version. They seem to be trying to do science together already! See for example:

Labs & Groups
From around the world

Courses
Host & view classes

Protocols
Share techniques & more

Blogs
Read OWW blogs

The technology is maybe Wikimedia: Eric wouldknow...

About OpenWetWare

and mediawiki? But certainly the page has been visited 1/2 million times. How many times has imechanica? What is this OpenWetWare?

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